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http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm PAPIA, illegiti mate daughter of RICHARD I Comte [de Normandie] & his mistress ---. Gu illaume of Jumièges records that Richard had two daughters “ex conc ubinis”, but does not name them [1]. It is not certain that Papia, w ife of Gilbert de Saint-Valéry, was the daughter of Richard I. Orderi c Vitalis records that “Gulbertus cognomento advocatus de Sancto Gua lerico” married “filiam Ricardi ducis”[2]. It is not clear fro m this text to which duke Richard he refers, but in a later passage th e same source confirms her name Papia daughter of "Ricardi iunioris du cis Normannorum" (which does suggest that he too is referring to Duk e Richard III) [3]. Some authors have taken this to refer to Duke Rich ard III, presumably inspired by Robert de Torigny who names "Papiam ux orem Walteri de Sanct Walerico et Aeliz uxorem Ranulfi vicecomitis d e Baioeis" as the two daughters of Duke Richard III [4]. This is, howe ver, chronologically impossible assuming that it is correct, as assert ed by Orderic Vitalis [5], that Papia's grandson, Richard de Heuglevil le, helped Guillaume II Duke of Normandy in the 1054 rebellion when h e was already old enough for Geoffroy de Neufmarché to be his son-in- law. Neither of the passages in Orderic Vitalis names Papia's mother . It is tempting to imagine that she was Duke Richard II's second wif e of the same name. However, it is also chronologically inconsistent w ith the 1054 references to Papia's grandson for Papia to have been th e daughter of duke Richard II Assuming that all this speculation is co rrect, Papia must have been born in the early years of the 11th centur y and therefore she must have been the daughter of Richard I. [1] Wil lelmi Gemmetencis ''Historiæ'' (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber IV, XVIII, p . 247. [2] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. III, Liber III, VIII, p . 41. [3] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. V, Book IX, p. 35, respect ively. [4] ''Ex Accessionibus Roberti de Monte ad Sigibertum 1026'' , RHGF X, p. 270. [5] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. IV, Book VI, p p. 253-5. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY.htm Guillaume o f Jumièges records that Richard had two daughters “ex concubinis” , but does not name them [6]. same person as…? [PAPIA ). Robert de T origny names "Papiam uxorem Walteri [error for Gilberti?] de Sanct Wal erico et Aeliz uxorem Ranulfi Vicecomitis de Baioeis" as the two daugh ters of Duke Richard III [7]. In the case of Papia, it is clearly chro nologically impossible for her to have been Duke Richard III´s daught er assuming that it is correct, as asserted by Orderic Vitalis [8], th at her grandson, Richard de Heugleville, helped Guillaume II Duke of N ormandy in the 1054 rebellion when he was already old enough for Geoff roy de Neufmarché to be his son-in-law. Orderic Vitalis refers to th e wife of Gilbert de Saint-Valéry as the daughter of "Duke Richard" , although it is not clear from this passage to which duke Richard h e refers. He confirms her name as Papia in a different passage [9]. Th e second passage also elaborates that Papia was daughter of "Ricardi i unioris ducis Normannorum", which does suggest that he also intended t o indicate Duke Richard III. Neither of the passages in Orderic Vitali s names Papia's mother. It is tempting to imagine that she was the sec ond wife of Duke Richard II of the same name. However, it is also chro nologically inconsistent with the 1054 references to Papia's grandso n for Papia to have been the daughter of Duke Richard II. Assuming tha t all this speculation is correct, Papia must have been born in the ea rly years of the 11th century and therefore, if she was the daughter o f any Duke Richard, her father must have been Duke Richard I. [6] Wil lelmi Gemmetencis ''Historiæ'' (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber IV, XVIII, p . 247. [7] ''Ex Accessionibus Roberti de Monte ad Sigibertum 1026'' , RHGF 10, p. 270. [8] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. IV, Book VI, pp. 253-5 . [9] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. III, Book VI, p. 253, and Vol. V, Book IX , p. 35, respectively.