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http://fmg.ac/projects/medlands/lotharingian%20(lower)%20nobility.ht m The name of Giselbert´s wife is not known. The ''Vita Arnulfi'' na mes "Lugerdam, Godam, Ermengardam" as the three sisters of "Albertus c omes Namurcensis", and adds that Liutgarde was the mother of "Emmone m et Ottonem fratrem eius", although without naming Liutgarde´s husba nd [1]. From a chronological point of view, it appears likely that Emm o and Otto were the sons of Giselbert, although no primary source ha s so far been found which names their father. If this is correct, Gise lbert´s wife was Liutgarde de Namur, daughter of Albert [I] Comte d e Namur & his wife Ermengardis of Lower Lotharingia [Carolingian]. Ano ther version is provided by the ''Gesta Abbatem Trudonensium'' which n ames "Lutgarde filia Hermegardis Namurcensis comitissæ" as wife of "O ttonis comitis de Los" and the couple as parents of "Baldricus secundu s" [2]. However, this version is chronologically impossible. Until mor e information comes to light, it appears preferable to assume that Liu tgarde was the mother of Emmo and Otto which, if correct, means that s he was probably the wife of Giselbert. A completely different possibil ity is suggested by the Annalista Saxo which names "Bertrada, soror Su anehildis comitisse de castro quod dicitur Lon in Hasbania, cuius fili us fuit Arnoldus comes Mogotiensis prefectus" as wife of Graf Dietric h [3]. "Arnoldus comes Mogotiensis prefectus" in this passage must b e identified as Arnaud [I] Comte de Looz, who is recorded as the son o f Comte Emmo. From a chronological point of view, it appears impossibl e that a daughter of Dirk III Count of Holland (the birth of whose chi ldren must be dated to [1010/35]) could have been the mother of Comt e Arnaud [I] (whose death is dated to [1139]). On the other hand, it w ould be chronologically feasible for Dirk III´s daughter to have bee n the wife of Comte Giselbert. If this is correct, she was Suanehildi s of Holland, daughter of Dirk III "Hierosolymita" Count of Hollan d & his wife Othelindis [von Hadmersleben]. The ''Vita Andreæ'', firs t abbot of Averboden, in the Chronicle written by Nicolas Hogeland Abb ot of Middelburg, records that "comitis Arnoldi Lossensis" descended " ex parte matris" from "Cliviæ comitibus" [4], which would be inconsis tent with this hypothesis. Comte Giselbert & his wife had [three] chi ldren: [1] ''Vita Arnulfi Episcopi Suessioniensis'' I.3, MGH SS XV.2 , p. 879. [2] ''Gestorum Abbatem Trudonensium Continuatio Tertia'' 10 07, MGH SS X, p. 382. [3] Annalista Saxo 1056. [4] Wouters, M. J. (1 849) ''Notice historique sur l´ancienne abbaye d´Averboden'' (Gand) , Annexes, ''Vita B. Andreæ primi abbatis Averbodiensis monasterii'' , XIII, p. 147. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm [LIUTGARD E [Emma] de Namur. The ''Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi'' name s "Hadewidem et Emmam de Los" as the two daughters of "Ermengardis [fi liæ Karoli ducis]" [1]. The primary sources are contradictory regardi ng the identify of Liutgarde´s husband. The ''Gesta Abbatem Trudonens ium'' names "Lutgarde filia Hermegardis Namurcensis comitissæ, Ottoni s prefati ducis filie" as wife of "Ottonis comitis de Los", and the co uple as parents of Baldric [II] Bishop of Liège [2]. From a chronolog ical point of view, it is impossible for a daughter of Albert I Comt e de Namur and his wife Ermengarde (married in 990) to have been the m other of Baldric Bishop of Liège (installed as bishop in 1008). Anoth er version is provided by the ''Vita Arnulfi'' which names "Lugerdam , Godam, Ermengardam" as the three sisters of "Albertus comes Namurcen sis", adding that Liutgarde was the mother of "Emmonem et Ottonem frat rem eius" [3]. No primary source has so far been found which names th e father of the brothers Emmo and Otto. From a chronological point o f view, it is possible that their father was Giselbert, son of Otto. I f this is correct, it is possible that Liutgarde´s husband was Giselb ert Comte de Looz. [m OTTO Comte [de Looz], son of [RUDOLF & his wif e ---] (-[before 1016]).] [m GISELBERT Comte de Looz, son of OTTO Comt e [de Looz] & his wife --- (-[1044/46]).] [1] ''Genealogica ex Stirp e Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis'' 4, MGH SS XXV, p. 383. [2 ] ''Gestorum Abbatem Trudonensium Continuatio Tertia'' 1007, MGH SS X , p. 382. [3] ''Vita Arnulfi Episcopi Suessioniensis'' I.3, MGH SS XV .2, p. 879.