Ermengarde de Bar-sur-SeineEtà: 95 anni9501045

Nome
Ermengarde de Bar-sur-Seine
Nascita tra il 950 e il 975

Matrimonio«Herbert» III de VermandoisView this family
tra il 975 e il 986 (Età 25 anni)

Nascita di un figlio
n° 1
Otto de Vermandois
tra il 980 e il 990 (Età 30 anni)
Morte di un marito«Herbert» III de Vermandois
29 agosto 993 (Età 43 anni)

Morte di un figlioOtto de Vermandois
25 maggio 1045 (Età 95 anni)

Morte tra il 1045 e il 1070 (Età 95 anni)

Nota

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm ERMENGARDIS, da ughter of ---. "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia… pater m eus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Not re-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045 [1]. Acco rding to Ernest Petit [2], Ermengardis was the widow of Milo [IV] Comt e de Tonnerre. The author highlights a charter of Ermengardis Ctss d e Vermandois witnessed by Renaud Comte de Tonnerre. He suggests that C omte Renaud would only have done this if he were the son of Ermengardi s, although other explanations must be possible. Settipani points ou t [3] that Ermengardis is named as the wife of Héribert [IV] in a doc ument of her father-in-law Albert [I] Comte de Vermandois, relating t o the abbey of Homblières, dated some time between 982 and the deat h of Comte Albert (in 987). If the two marriages apply to the same Erm engardis, Comte Héribert must have been her first husband and Comte M ilon her second. However, it is not clear that this suggested co-ident ity is correct, a simpler explanation being that there were two differ ent individuals named Ermengardis. Ernest Petit also suggests [4] tha t Ermengardis (wife of Comte Milon) was heiress of Bar-sur-Seine, in o rder to explain how her granddaughter by Comte Milon, Eustachie, trans mitted this county to her husband Gauthier de Brienne. He identified t he father of Ermengardis as "Renaud Comte de Bar-sur-Seine" based on t wo charters, which he dated to 992 and 997, which name "Rainardus come s" whom he identifies with Rainard, son of miles Raoul de Bar, who i s mentioned in the Chronicle of St Bénigne [5]. There appears to be n o other evidence of the existence of this person, and Bouchard [6] poi nts out that the dating of the two charters in question is uncertain . She suggests that it is more likely that "Rainardus" is identified w ith Renaud Comte de Sens or with "Rainaldus" son of Ermengardis. Thi s of course leaves open the question how Bar-sur-Seine was transmitte d to the Tonnerre family. [1] Newman, W. M., Constable, G. and Everga tes, T. (1990) ''The cartulary and charters of Notre-Dame of Homblièr es'' (Cambridge), p. 78, 13 Jan-13 Oct 1045, quoted in Settipani (1993 ), p. 238 footnote 344. [2] Petit, E. (1885) ''Histoire des ducs de B ourgogne de la race capétienne'' (Paris), Vol. II, p. 425, cited in B ouchard (1987), p. 371. [3] Settipani (1993), p. 237 footnote 336. [ 4] Petit, Vol. II, p. 430, cited in Bouchard (1987), p. 371. [5] Chro nicle of St Bénigne, p. 161, cited in Bouchard (1987), p. 372. [6] B ouchard (1987), p. 372.